i just read the comments of australian boxer and muslim anthony mundine.
he says the attack on the wtc on sept. 11th wasn't an act of terrorism, but an act of religion, because of the actions of the united states in history.
apparently, while too cowardly to actually say he approves of the terrorism on the u.s., like so many muslims are cowardly in this regard, he seems to slip in his approval through the back door, as it were.
wannahelp:
You say that there are Muslims who do not sympathize with Bin Laden and other Arab terrorists. Can you give me an example please? It seems as if whenever they condemn the acts of September 11, they follow it up with some caveat that attempts to shift the blame to the United States. Until I see some evidence to the contrary, I'm going to err on the side of NOT trusting anyone Islamic.
i just read the comments of australian boxer and muslim anthony mundine.
he says the attack on the wtc on sept. 11th wasn't an act of terrorism, but an act of religion, because of the actions of the united states in history.
apparently, while too cowardly to actually say he approves of the terrorism on the u.s., like so many muslims are cowardly in this regard, he seems to slip in his approval through the back door, as it were.
There is no true Islam. It's all a religious sham of racism and hatred. They hate Jews, they hate Americans and they hate each other.
Islam is a gutter religion.
i just read the comments of australian boxer and muslim anthony mundine.
he says the attack on the wtc on sept. 11th wasn't an act of terrorism, but an act of religion, because of the actions of the united states in history.
apparently, while too cowardly to actually say he approves of the terrorism on the u.s., like so many muslims are cowardly in this regard, he seems to slip in his approval through the back door, as it were.
Where did I use the word "kill"? You ignorant Muslim turd!
i just read the comments of australian boxer and muslim anthony mundine.
he says the attack on the wtc on sept. 11th wasn't an act of terrorism, but an act of religion, because of the actions of the united states in history.
apparently, while too cowardly to actually say he approves of the terrorism on the u.s., like so many muslims are cowardly in this regard, he seems to slip in his approval through the back door, as it were.
SixofNine:
I thought someone like you would agree with Mr. Mundine. But then you probably would have agreed with Hitler. Oh, by the way, Nazism is illegal in Germany and other countries. I have no use for people who sympathize with those who murder innocent people by flying airliners into crowded buildings and send lethal diseases through the mail. But allow me to make something clear to you: I DO NOT, NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL care what you think of me. And, BTW my words were clear, "Mr. Mundine and other Muslims who have this attitude can FUCK OFF." And furthermore, if a religion such as Islam is going to conduct acts of war against innocent people, then those who call themselves Muslims, perhaps need to find another religion or pay the consequences.
i just read the comments of australian boxer and muslim anthony mundine.
he says the attack on the wtc on sept. 11th wasn't an act of terrorism, but an act of religion, because of the actions of the united states in history.
apparently, while too cowardly to actually say he approves of the terrorism on the u.s., like so many muslims are cowardly in this regard, he seems to slip in his approval through the back door, as it were.
I just read the comments of Australian boxer and Muslim Anthony Mundine. He says the attack on the WTC on Sept. 11th wasn't an act of terrorism, but an act of religion, because of the actions of the United States in history. Apparently, while too cowardly to actually say he approves of the terrorism on the U.S., like so many Muslims are cowardly in this regard, he seems to slip in his approval through the back door, as it were.
Well, here's my take on this. Mr. Mundine and all Muslims who choose to take this attitude can simply FUCK OFF. I'm beginning to believe that Islam is way too dangerous a religion to be allowed to continue. The religion itself needs to be rooted out and destroyed. Perhaps making adherance to such a religion an international crime, punishable by imprisonment. Keep it up ragheads and the world will simply kick your worthless asses.
i have been drifting for about 1 1/2 years now and was hoping that in a year or two i would have distanced myself enough from the org.
that i can actually start living my life exactly the way i want to...aka celebrating the holidays by putting lights on the house, not having to tell my daughter not to say anything about going trick or treating, getting birthday presents or going to cheerleader camp.
but i read some posts in the disfellowhiping thread started by somebody where people have been inactive for 3 years and are still disfellowhiped!
fancyschmancy:
LET SLEEPING DOGS LIE! Don't seek out elders. Make them find you. Your life will be much less painful in the long run. IMHO.
i read this letter in the editorials/letters secion of the new york times today (oct. 21, 2001, pg.
i thought you guys would find it interesting.. atheists at ground zero.
to the editor:.
The atheist, thiest debate is interesting to me because, when I wake up each day, or go about my activities, I don't think about myself as an atheist. Of course that is exactly what I am, but I don't view myself in those terms. I attend a Presbyterian church with my wife and kids, listen to the sermons and the wonderful music. But I never view the sermons as anything more than mythology. But I do see numerous charitable activities being done by the church (and other churches) for people in need in our community and in foreign countries and view them as a good thing, regardless the motives. I see myself and believers as part of the same larger community, the difference is that they believe and I don't.
My kids enjoy Sunday School with their friends and probably learn things from the Bible that shouldn't be taken literally, but they will be able to sort those things out when they are adults. For now, they are learning some moral lessons that I think they need as well as a sense that those of us who have, have a responsibility to help those who don't have. Sure they can learn these things in a secular setting, but the issue really isn't where they learn them, but that they learn them. Another benefit to church attendance for adults is the concept of networking with others in the community who might help you in your career or business.
As a JW, I was taught to have contempt and distrust for "church" people. I believed that they were insincere and not to be trusted. Well I can tell you that the people I've met in traditional churches are just like people I meet in the secular world. Some phoney and some sincere. Some with ulterior motives and some without. So for me, being an atheist is just a matter of intellectual honesty. It must have been similar in ancient Greece and Rome where the masses believed in the pantheon of gods and goddesses, but some didn't.
I have disagreements with the extreme elements of any religion, whether Christian, Jewish or Islamic. I don't want religion determining life choices for me. But I don't view atheism for me as an us against them scenario.
I am not suggesting that anyone else attend church because I really don't think it's something one should suggest to others. I just don't have a problem as an unbeliever, associating with believers.
some posters to this board, who perhaps are bored posters, have been out of the wts for a long while, some for decades.
i think i understand why you still feel the need to meet here but just wished to hear from you personally.. how long have you been out?
why do you still feel the need to discuss and involve yourselves with jw issues?
hillary_step:
I really quit believing in 1984 after reading Crisis of Conscience. But like many, I had a difficult time with what I saw in the
WTS for years. I was just afraid to speak about it openly for obvious reasons. Like some others who visit this site, I was at Brooklyn Bethel and saw things and attitudes while there that bothered me.
I discovered this board back in May of June of this year. I am amazed at the similarities in people's lives who visit here that resulted in them being out of the organization. Some were treated like garbage by the elders. Some began to question WTS teachings and were threatened by the elders. For me, it was mainly the lack of any real "Christian love" that the society claims to display, but never really does. So, I visit to read what others here think and have been through.
P.S. There are some very bright and funny people here, so it is also entertaining. Conversly, there is Fredhall.
As for my life now, it's fine. I have a good non-JW wife and 3 good non-JW kids.
the number of 144.000 has been reached at http://www.jehovahs-witness.com.
just a quick note.
;-)
I would like to hereby assert that I am a member in good standing of the 144,000. How do I know this? Well why not? I feel like I'm special. You cannot prove that I'm not a member. I have partaken of the bread and the wine on numerous occasions.
So as a member and in light of the WTS 10 year relationship with the United Nations, I am casting the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses out into the darkness where they belong. They have no more power and are relegated to gnashing their teeth. Go away you whore of Babylon. Perform your unclean acts with your paramour.
I feel better now. Where's my medication?
the following appeared on cnn today.
it is like something the klingon empire or the borg from star trek might say.
the us military is broadcasting all over afghanistan the following message - i believe on all frequencies.
Well said Yerusalem! These radical Arab terrorists hate us because they view us as the antithesis of Islam. Their fervor is based in bastardized concepts of the Koran. Capitalism and wealth are the impetus to enlightenment and this is counter to the intellectual enslavement desired by these nutbag Mullahs. Our support of Israel is simply a convenient facade for their despicable actions. The women in this country and other civilized European countries arn't treated like livestock. Our children aren't living in caves with no formal education and minimal food.
